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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:40 pm 
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...especially when coupled with Alth's dwindling presence.
I've been in Las Vegas for most of the past week. The Grand Prix was a blast, but super busy.

I can corroborate this story.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:46 pm 
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i think Dr. D slept with zammm


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No, I slept with Febb. I rescued Zammm from having to think.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:52 pm 
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will you ever stop flirting and tell us the whole story


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 Post subject: Re: moderation comment
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:10 pm 
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You have been permanently banned from this board.

Please contact the Board Administrator for more information.

Reason given for ban: Attacks on other users, MuP of previously permabanned account

Two reasons why this is wrong:

1. the "attack on other user" was a post I used to make fun of door, my best friend who I have known for the last 9 years. Both of us knew it was in jest. He was actually the person who asked me to come back here (several annoying times). I understood getting a warning, although I rolled my eyes very dramatically, but then when I tried to explain the situation I was banned. So this was my only option other than wait for door to get off work and post here for me (lame)

2. I was specifically told by the head admin that I could make a new account if I wanted Image

I never admitted to being anyone, it was just inferred that I was a previously banned user because of my posting style


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:25 pm 
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reallyguys wrote:
...I understood getting a warning...


...and you went and did it anyway eh? Fun tip - if you've already been banned once and came back you probably don't want to start doing things which could lead to warnings. Even if you are just doing them in jest.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:29 pm 
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i don't remember ko saying anything rude but i guess it would have been deleted


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 Post subject: Re: moderation comment
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:35 pm 
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reallyguys wrote:
...I understood getting a warning...


...and you went and did it anyway eh? Fun tip - if you've already been banned once and came back you probably don't want to start doing things which could lead to warnings. Even if you are just doing them in jest.


I just assume that by now people know that I'm friends with a lot of the people (that used to be) here. I mean the post was vulgar but I didn't evade the word filter so it seems pretty minor to me. I can understand why someone would give me a warning for that post even if I think its a little bit silly is what I am trying to say. What I don't get is the ban, I mean zammm said there would be a tighter leash but that's hella tight.

Anyway, you did a good job at ignoring the whole point of my post and just quoting something out of context!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:46 pm 
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I read the rest of it. I just thought that was the most pertinent part. You were told you were on a tight leash and made a post you thought might result in a warning. I assume that's why you got the ban. My apologies if it seemed I was trying to take it out of context.

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I read the rest of it. I just thought that was the most pertinent part. You were told you were on a tight leash and made a post you though might result in a warning. I assume that's why you got the ban. My apologies if it seemed I was trying to take it out of context.


I did not think I was going to get a warning because I thought I was being so obvious with my joking and sarcasm that even the moderators would understand. The post had censored swear words, and to someone with absolutely no knowledge of the social dynamics (aka, a mod) it would certainly seem like I deserved a warning.


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Right. I follow. You didn't think you'd get a warning, but understand why you did. What you didn't expect was it to result in a ban. Got ya.

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Right. I follow. You didn't think you'd get a warning, but understand why you did. What you didn't expect was it to result in a ban. Got ya.


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 Post subject: Re: moderation comment
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:08 pm 
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When boards policy is that telling people you're someone who has previously been banned will result in the new account being suspended, creating a new account in order to post on the metaboard about your banning isn't going to get you very far.

If you've been banned and have questions or would like to dispute the actions taken against your account, you can email the relevant staff member(s), but posting about it on the metaboard will not do you any good.

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 Post subject: Re: moderation comment
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:58 pm 
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When boards policy is that telling people you're someone who has previously been banned will result in the new account being suspended, creating a new account in order to post on the metaboard about your banning isn't going to get you very far.

If you've been banned and have questions or would like to dispute the actions taken against your account, you can email the relevant staff member(s), but posting about it on the metaboard will not do you any good.
this seems like a really bad policy because there is no transparency or accountability.

mods are not just accountable to individual users. they are accountable to the community. if they do something that is pretty messed up (as I think they did in this case), we deserve to know as a community

for those of us who weren't there, can you explain quickly what occurred?

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 Post subject: Re: moderation comment
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:19 pm 
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Okay was given a warning, then when she asked for follow-up, she got permabanned.

most of this seems reasonable to me, although I can't speak to the validity of the specific warning. on the follow-up request leading to a permaban, I agree that that's messed up although I suspect that that has to do with one of the mods noticing that Okay was, in fact, Ko, an already permabanned user. I think it's a reasonable policy to ban alts of permabanned accounts, because otherwise what's the point of permaban? (note that I'm not making any statement as to the validity of Ko's original permaban, that is a separate topic.) without knowing the specific mods involved, my guess is that whoever originally warned Okay didn't know their history, then when they followed up another mod who did noticed and dropped a permaban. that's just a guess, but if that's the case the entire situation seems reasonable to me.

all that said, I don't really understand why Alth's message to Ko would say she could start a new account. that seems like an incoherent policy to me. but according to that screenshot it did, which means Okay was operating in good faith and thus probably deserves some amount of leniency. but that's up to Alth. I do think that making a new account to circumvent a ban in order to complain about that ban is a bad idea.

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 Post subject: Re: moderation comment
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:08 am 
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razorborne wrote:
[...] broadly speaking, mod duties can be broken into two categories: bookkeeping and community management. the latter requires an understanding of the dynamics of the community in question, while the former doesn't. that's why we nominally have different mods for different areas: they're supposed to be members of their given communities. Scarlet, for instance, mostly posts in posting games, so they don't really have the background to get involved in managing the DotP forums. on the other hand, if someone shows up and posts a bunch of ad spam threads in DotP, Scarlet can go in and delete it all because identifying and removing ad spam requires no intimate knowledge of the community, it's just something one has to do.

the fundamental flaw of the ORC system on the mothership was that they separated the mods from the community. they were still fully capable of bookkeeping moderation, but they lost any sort of perspective on how to maintain and curate the community because they were no longer a part of it.

basically, the amount of mod activity we have now is pretty adequate for keeping spam threads, graphic images, and the like away, but I'm concerned that it's probably not adequate for making the community one worth visiting long-term. I'm especially concerned about the disappearance of Fire, especially when coupled with Alth's dwindling presence.

Okay, given that explanation, I understand where you're coming from, although, as an almost exclusively M:EMber, I haven't seen the same need. Our mod (by which I mean the mod for the M:EM) posts out of uniform all the time, but there hasn't been any real need for him to post in-uniform for months. We self-police and call out people when they step over a line, so we (again, meaning the M:EM) have no need of any more mods. I essentially only follow like 6 threads outside of the M:EM, so I really can't speak on what other subforums may need more//more active mods.

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he's talking about certain posters that he doesn't want to name because it would cause drama if those certain posters were to read this thread
that, and also the specifics aren't the point and if they're brought up they'll become the central topic and the actual relevant part will get buried. if you'd like I can start another thread specifically about that issue though.

Looks like it's too late for that...


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 Post subject: Re: moderation comment
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:07 pm 
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i wish ko was never banned she was my favorite nga user


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