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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:03 pm 
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Nobody replied to this and kept on having the fight as thought there was a fight to be fought:

I'm okay with 3CM being moved back into Magic General at this point because I would rather have people posting even if it's slightly off topic. It's still related to Magic anyway. Let's give it a go in General because if the thread dies, it wasn't meant to be anyway. I don't know if 3cm would be better off with a fresh start or moving the thread over. But let's be flexible and try different things.


Huzzah! Thanks, Slobad!

I don't know the mod hierarchy all that well, but I don't think Slobad has the authority to unilaterally approve that. I think they were just voicing their opinion on the subject.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:05 pm 
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I did not find jumping in too intimidating but I did not feel like studying the meta and learning all the relevant cards so i made a deck that i don't anticipate will pick up any wins. I'm hoping to learn by playing and looking at the results.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:14 pm 
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I did not find jumping in too intimidating but I did not feel like studying the meta and learning all the relevant cards so i made a deck that i don't anticipate will pick up any wins. I'm hoping to learn by playing and looking at the results.

yeah that's how basically everyone gets started. just like in every other game ever.

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razorborne wrote:
Nobody replied to this and kept on having the fight as thought there was a fight to be fought:

I'm okay with 3CM being moved back into Magic General at this point because I would rather have people posting even if it's slightly off topic. It's still related to Magic anyway. Let's give it a go in General because if the thread dies, it wasn't meant to be anyway. I don't know if 3cm would be better off with a fresh start or moving the thread over. But let's be flexible and try different things.


Huzzah! Thanks, Slobad!

I don't know the mod hierarchy all that well, but I don't think Slobad has the authority to unilaterally approve that. I think they were just voicing their opinion on the subject.

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The mods and community managers do different jobs but in the end since we're pretty small we all work together making decisions. Technically I have the ability to approve this without the input of others but I don't think I have to do this now. Last time we had a big decisions on this I was swayed to have 3CM in posting games and if it didn't work out we could move it back or come up with another solution to this. I think for sake of experimentation, we should move 3CM into general and see how it performs over a period that is similar to the time that 3CM spent in posting game section. If it fails in both areas, it's a product of the community not fully wanting to play, and if it succeeds that means more people are posting on the forum which is also good.

There is potential in myself being at fault for not doing enough, or much of anything, to raise awareness in the Magic sections to branch out into other areas of the forum. I take the blame for that, but I don't want threads that have the potential to draw people to use the forum consistently to die.

I would rather have new 3CM threads created in Magic General and see how it goes from there. If more problems arise, we can work together to find solutions. I think everybody has brought up good points on why 3CM should stay or move but I think it's most important that we have an open dialogue in which we can do things that are best for the community.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:57 am 
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If you really mean that, then for the love of all that is holy move the card chain game back to magic general immediately.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:04 pm 
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Apparently even staff can't agree here. I even said in 'our' area that I just wished people did what I said earlier. If they tried that and it still wouldn't improve, I'd stop fighting. Heck, I'd make a new thread in MG myself.

Instead we get people ignoring suggestions from someone who hosted 3 seasons of 3cm himself and staying stuck in their own worlds where they think this is like the Wizards boards, even when it's pretty obvious it isn't, but you guys are the ones not willing to adapt.
I mean, seriously, boycotting it because it's an extra click. That's seriously sad.
Look, I warned for this situation 16 rounds ago and advised a new thread. People ignored that and continued their merry way and are now complaining again without even trying my initial suggestion even when the main reason no new players come is very, very basic psychology.

I'm pretty much done with the discussion. If someone else from the team decides something else, I'll just comply with that.
Perhaps over time I'll come back on this prior sentence, but don't expect any reaction from me anymore for the time being.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:44 pm 
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There are always going to be different opinions on what the situation is and why it is that way. Any positive discussion towards getting the game to a state where the hosts and players are happy is good discussion in my book. I do not know for sure why the game is innactive, but as long as people are taking actions to rememdy the situation I am happy. A new season is starting, I am guessing it will be more successful in MG than in posting games, but maybe if jim thinks it is a good idea it should be run in posting games first and then in MG if that doesn't work out.

The important thing to me is that things are happening, which I think they finally are.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:22 pm 
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Here's an idea.

Why not edit Magic General's description to include MTG forum games that do not belong in other MTG forums. There's only like three of them across 3 separate subforums down south of the MTG section, so it wouldn't be that bad.






To be blunt, you are not going to get more members with it in the play by post section because there is a continued lack of any attempt to get new members in there right now other than hoping they just walk on in. Maybe a post in the off topic threads of each subforum would help a little?

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Look, I warned for this situation 16 rounds ago and advised a new thread. People ignored that and continued their merry way and are now complaining again without even trying my initial suggestion even when the main reason no new players come is very, very basic psychology.
you mean starting a new thread? Rush tried that. didn't work.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:38 am 
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also, now that I think about it, Jim tried it too, inadvertently, when they made season 2. as mentioned above, the net gain was 3 players.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:23 am 
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Again, 4cm is a different beast. On Wizards as well 4cm never reached the popularity of 3cm.

On the 6 -> 9:
Which is still a net gain :V
Also, subsequent rounds were more active than the ones at the end of the first season.

Anyway, I'm keeping it with a really a bad day yesterday. Apologies for everyone who may have been offended by my post, but I think it's most fair if I keep it up.

We are internally discussing some changes right now. Hopefully we'll reach a good consensus before Jim will start his new thread, so he can post it in the right section :)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:46 pm 
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For the record, I think that the current magic general forum description can be interpreted to allow for magic forum games there. "Any topic not specifically designated in the other forums of this section goes here." pretty much allows for any magic themed thread that doesn't fit into the other magic the gathering subforums (which i don't think posting games do).


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:37 pm 
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I want consistency.

3CM and other games are now in Magic General. So can you move the Card Chain Game back?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:18 am 
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I think it's safer for everyone if that game is simply made again :)

Feel free to start a new thread.
The old CCG and my own game will be locked and restarted in Magic General.

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