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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:20 am 
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So, every now and again, MaRo likes to remind everyone that he was kicked off the story team for the Weatherlight Saga and what we ended up with was a different version of the story than he had planned. He's also pretty big on dangling it out there that he can't (or won't) talk about the original story until sometime in the amorphous "someday."

That all being said, he has been dropping hints about his original tale here and there throughout his tumblr posts and podcasts. The problem is, every time he does this, I get the feeling that I'm much happier that the story got changed from his original vision. While altered plot points like Mirri's death were kinda sad; by the end of Invasion, pretty much everyone was dead so it's not like I can be too broken up about it. Also in one of his more recent podcasts, he let slip that there was supposed to be some sort of time-travel component in his original story, wherein the Weatherlight crew leaves Rath via the portal and skips through time, later returning to find an ancient wizard Ertai in place of the young mage they left behind.

Anyway, has anyone else picked up pieces of this puzzle, and are you as disenchanted with it as I am?

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I don't read his tumbler as much as I probably should. Or any sort of social media for that matter.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:42 pm 
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I generally like his articles, but an article is not the same as a multi-year spanning narrative, so I don't know how good MaRo is as that sort of writer.

I will say that when he talks about stories and his plans for Magic stories that didn't come to fruition for whatever reason, they tended to be tropey as ****. Not necessarily a good or bad thing, but definitely a thing.


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MaRo has a fetish for tropes, pretty sure. Everything I've ever read from him has been about how he has these checklists for tropes in every set it seems like.

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Is there anything that isn't tropey as ****?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:30 am 
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Is there anything that isn't tropey as ****?

Kind of by its definition, no, not really.
I mean, all a trope is is a codified facet of something, and all that really takes to be notable is for it to appear a few places.

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Would it be fair then to say that Maro has a love of cliches?

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AzureShade wrote:
So, every now and again, MaRo likes to remind everyone that he was kicked off the story team for the Weatherlight Saga and what we ended up with was a different version of the story than he had planned. He's also pretty big on dangling it out there that he can't (or won't) talk about the original story until sometime in the amorphous "someday."

That all being said, he has been dropping hints about his original tale here and there throughout his tumblr posts and podcasts. The problem is, every time he does this, I get the feeling that I'm much happier that the story got changed from his original vision. While altered plot points like Mirri's death were kinda sad; by the end of Invasion, pretty much everyone was dead so it's not like I can be too broken up about it. Also in one of his more recent podcasts, he let slip that there was supposed to be some sort of time-travel component in his original story, wherein the Weatherlight crew leaves Rath via the portal and skips through time, later returning to find an ancient wizard Ertai in place of the young mage they left behind.

Anyway, has anyone else picked up pieces of this puzzle, and are you as disenchanted with it as I am?


MaRo is a fantastic card designer and damn good at story skeletons. He should stay away from the details though. I'm very glad *his* version of the weatherlight saga was changed. Because from what I've heard, it sounds pretty meh (and far too based on traditional cliches)

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Snippet from yesterday:

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Spinoff of the Mirri question, wasn't Crovax always going to go bad? I mean, you've mentioned he was always destined to be a vampire, but not when he first boarded the Weatherlight.

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In our version of the story (aka the original), Crovax never turns evil. He becomes a vampire but stays with the crew.

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Keep in mind Maro was a writer before he was a designer. So it's not like he's some bum off the street, he did television writing after all.

I'm kinda mixed on the whole thing. Earliest mtg lore is still my favorite, Ice Age and Fallen Empires. I liked the weatherlight saga roughly up to the point of Masques where I feel like it just kinda spun out of control. Somewhere around Innistrad things got brought back under control and I've been enjoying the lore again.


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Oh I'm not doubting his writing credentials as much as I'm doubting his claim that it was such a tragedy that we never got to see his original vision for the Weatherlight Saga. It's one of those things he like to build up by mentioning it over and over again and then saying that he can't tell us about it other than we should feel sad for not knowing it. All the while, the hints about it that he does drop cause me o sort of blanch and thank the powers that be for taking it away from him when they did.

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That's just his personality. He's like a chipmunk on caffeine.

I actually find it kind've endearing.


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He's a strange person anyway.

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...said LilyStorm.

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That's how you know he's strange.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:13 am 
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I think I'm going to use this thread as a dumping ground for tidbits of MaRo's Weatherlight Saga until we've pieced together a full picture.

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In the original Weatherlight story, did Mirrodin ever even get made?

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The original Weatherlight Story was a three-block story.

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AzureShade wrote:
I think I'm going to use this thread as a dumping ground for tidbits of MaRo's Weatherlight Saga until we've pieced together a full picture.

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In the original Weatherlight story, did Mirrodin ever even get made?

MaRo said:
The original Weatherlight Story was a three-block story.

That doesn't answer his question!

Admittedly, it's not that great of a question, but still!


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To be fair, the only part of the original Weatherlight Saga that would had any impact on Mirrodin's creation would be if similar factors came together for Karn to become a 'Walker. No Karn 'Walker means probably no Mirrodin in the sense that Karn created Argentum and then Memnarch out of the Mirari, who then corrupted the place, turning it into Mrirrodin.

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Exactly. The original saga was a more traditional heros journey with a built in end date. I don't think he ever intended it to be this neverending story it's turned into.

Back then the idea of a three block story was mind blowing since Magic blocks were more Final Fantasy and less Star Wars Expanded Universe.


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