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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:20 pm 
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I was a one shot vig. Based on what has been claimed, it seems possible Tevish could get my ability; however, even if he did, that would only advance the game state to 3 players left.

In such a game state I feel it would become painfully obvious who the last scum is. Not to mention the existence of the doc ability may interfere with the two shots (this is all worst case scenario essentially).

Realistically, that prob won't happen due to several factors that are still in play.




I do agree that Tevish is scarier (he was part of the mafia team in Conflux Mafia). Smiles, though, is too contradictory with his assertions to be taken seriously (both seem genuine nonetheless though Tevish doesn't have any glaring contradictions to weigh him down).

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:32 pm 
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I concur...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:05 am 
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Lap 1 Action

Glaring at each other, Daisy and Mario consume power stars. Their karts shoot ahead. Mario hits a rail, losing a little bit of ground, but a skillful drift makes up for his miscalculation. He drives defiantly through the Koopa Birdo.

"Waa!" Waluigi fires an egg. It rolls for a bit, but loses momentum, then cracks, spilling onto the track.

Standings
1. Waluigi Wing
2. Turbo Pipes
3. Koopa Birdo
4. Parade Train

Events
Turbo Pipes: star
Parade Train: star
Waluigi Wing: egg
Koopa Birdo is inert, then hit by the Turbo Pipes.
Turbo Pipes passes: Koopa Birdo
Koopa Birdo: is passed by Turbo Pipes


Official Vote Count
LoS (3): KoD, Tevish, Dusky
Tevish (1): LoS
Skystone (1): KoD*

Not voting: Silverfish, Faerie

(Lap 1 is over, but those of you with subsequent actions can still submit them.)

*KoD gets an extra, only-for-me vote on the simultaneous basis of a) no takesies backsies, and b) me not wanting to ruin the game. ;)

It is now Lap 2.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:33 am 
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Ugh.
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I need to sleep over it. I still agree with the assessment that he contradicted himself, but I just am not convinced LoS is really mafia and want to give him another chance to defend himself.


@Skystone: Deadline Thursday?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:01 am 
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Duskyblue wrote:
@Skystone: Deadline Thursday?

Correct. Thursday, 2pm EST.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:26 am 
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Smiles, you have an odd way of projecting what you're saying. Remember that stuff you said to Tevish about doing more instead of rolling over if he's town? Where is that with you seeing as how you're the one saying that?

You being scum read is the natural progression through a lot of deliberation.

Take myself for instance. I've got no reason at this point to doubt Silver given the situation that led to me trying to vig him. Dusky, for her part, doesn't strike me as the last remaining scum given that she was the first vote to start the roll on CL (a compromise which allowed Faerie and I to budge from one another).

That leaves you, Tevish, and Faerie as the last ones for me to consider. You each have your ups and downs. Sitting there proclaiming you are obv town isn't doing it for me when, no, it isn't that obv that you are. Especially if you made a preemptive move to bus CL which would earn you points (and it did as evidenced by my earlier posts when assessing ppl in the game state back then).

Rather than actually assess you're playing the victim which does nothing to actually help the game state for town.

Again, what happened to your progression on me, hm? Why is it you haven't done more to assess Tevish or Faerie recently given the state of the game?


The difference is, I'm actually wanting to solve this game here.

You're literally just randing your targets tbh and it's utterly frustrating.

Why am I trying? Because I want to solve the damn game. Tevish is a pretty much rand hit for me right now. You/Silver have roles I think are semi-clearing. Faerie/Dusky have voting and posting history I think works in their favour. This is the only reason I'm on Tevish right now and it sucks that nobody gives a damn about solving.

Just read the damn exchange with me moving the vote onto CL because it's pretty incredibly clearing and I should be far far from second to the bottom of any list right now. I'm not as active in past days because the game is not fun lol.

And as for why I said that to Tevish in particular... "I'm fine to die but kill Smiles after I die" is awful play tbh. I'm not certain that Tevish is mafia at all and I don't want to just stake the game on some bad play of theirs.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:29 am 
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Smiles.... what do you want us to do? You were NOT on the chopping block till after Tevish in the first place, and that shouldn't even be a problem if you think he's mafia. You honestly would have looked a lot better without posting today and being mortally offended someone would even consider voting you / not immediately believe everything you say about your own meta.

You think I'm not cleared for swinging on CL both days. Could have stayed away easily both days. Yet you insist on being cleared for doing it once. See the problem?

I am inclined to believe you, but mostly because you are being so dramatic about and, and that is disappointing.


I want to solve the damn game. It feels like people are spitting in my face when I'm trying and I've had gripes with this all game. And again, it feels like people are just townreading people for NAI and it sucks.

Gee, I wonder why I just stopped playing after I got cleared and my partner died. Obviously wolf agenda, amitite?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:30 am 
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Fwiw, KoD being the vig is semi-clearing for Silver probably. I think it doesn't make sense to have a town vig but also have 1/2 wolves to be immune to that vig.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:30 am 
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And if KoD is a wolf vig for some reason then Silver is still town.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:33 am 
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Oh and about the CL voting... I have no idea if you're cleared Dusky but Dark looked back and said you were and I'm inclined to just trust that.

The difference is that I voted CL at an absolutely critical time and was responsible for CL going over. Like, I wasn't the person who scumread or cased CL the most but my vote was THE critical shift that went from "KoD I'd inevitably going over" to "CL is going over". Pretty sure I also managed to get others to move off KoD too.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:36 am 
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All the problems with Smiles' content, and even his determination that he's not invested in the game and hasn't been and we're still swinging on me? Would you not want the player who cares?

I've set up to evidence my claims.

I've provided content with reason.

I understand PoE (though I will say this game was the first time I recall seeing that particular acronym being used for mafia, so that's a thing). At least it's not game over if I swing, but I still want to know on what grounds I'm the first choice for today.


I've demonstrated that I care right now and that's ever is important.

Caring is not alignment indicative so this is also a really bad point anyway.

If you're town you need to stick your head out. I should honestly be cleared right now and in the case where you are town here you're steering us towards a t/t thunderdome when we absolutely can't afford it and for really bad reasons.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:38 am 
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My partner swap only works when I die and I claimed otherwise to bait a kill wow.

You know, because I had literally just made a clearing vote move onto CL and was the most obvious town in the game?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:38 am 
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So I assumed I would just die because I was cleared lol.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:41 am 
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At the end of the day I made a pretty damn clearing vote onto CL and if I didn't show up and convince others to move over there too, CL wouldn't have gone over.

I've asked people to do trustfalls because I'm worried people are getting miscleared and again you all just ignored me.

Screw this. I'm hoping it's not Tevish so you can all feel bad about it postgame. We don't deserve to win.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:42 am 
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Contradicting anything doesn't matter tbh. You're complaining about the semantics of what I'm saying. It's clear what I was *trying* to say and you're just ignoring that and going "but contradictions!".


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:44 am 
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Let's get this over with. I'm clearly trying to solve and you're having none of it. Funny you're all complaining about me not caring about the game because I feel like I'm the only one who gives a damn.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:46 am 
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Again, somebody please write me out a trust fall of why you're exactly clearing everyone. I want to look for holes tbh.

Tevish is about 50% likely to be the last wolf here. I am NOT willing to bet the game on that. Apparently everyone else is.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:48 am 
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I'm not even here to defend myself, I'm obviously town and that's very clear if you actually listen to what I'm saying instead of trying to nitpick!

I'm trying to actually get us somewhere instead of just saying "well I guess I'll hope that Tevish is the last wolf from process of elimination".


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:52 am 
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Like if I had to guess... Silver is not only town from the role that I think is probably towny but also from their solving. I don't agree how they've gone about this game a lot but it's clear that they are putting a lot more attempt into genuinely trying to accomplish stuff than they did the time I saw them wolf where I remember their thought processes not really being there?

I haven't double checked but I'm going to assume Dusky's CL interactions are mostly clearing.

KoD's role is probably >rand town but I don't know how to resolve his play tbh.

Faerie is the player who I have the least to say about but I think their claim and their CL vote both worked in their favour.

Tevish I don't have anything redeeming for.

That's my most -> least confident towns list I think.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:53 am 
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And like, don't say I'm not trying to solve because I've asked for people to take me up on going through with this and got ignored.


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