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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:54 pm 
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Uh huh.

Honestly what is most perplexing is how you seemingly wish to cause town to lose assuming you actually are town.

Even I play be -- never-ending, I am not.

Point being, you're certainly doing town no favors. As town ofc.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:57 pm 
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Uh huh.

Honestly what is most perplexing is how you seemingly wish to cause town to lose assuming you actually are town.

Even I play be -- never-ending, I am not.

Point being, you're certainly doing town no favors. As town ofc.

I stopped caring about winning or losing in this game a long time ago.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:41 pm 
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You say that, but I don't see you posting any memes


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:58 pm 
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I don't care if you vote me, Zinger. You stopped being reasonable about 10 minutes into the game. Just don't pretend it's good for town. Also, nice blaming me for the fact that you have been harassing three town people the whole game for being 'undoubtedly scum'. Ironically, I was starting to think you might be right about Skystone, but you convinced me of his innocence by putting me on L-1 and giving him the chance to hammer.

Although, I see Darkstar is saying we might not be Lylo. If so, this day proved a lot less. Although I still think mafia would have hammered me anyway, since I am perma locked.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:05 pm 
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I don't care if you vote me, Zinger. You stopped being reasonable about 10 minutes into the game.

See, this is what I'm talking about.

Even if you were ostensibly town, how doo you expect us to work together to find scum if you continue to call me unreasonable. It's no wonder I got so pissed off with this game.

Just because you don't see the underlying reason to my logic doesn't mean it does not exist.

I've been perfectly reasonable all game up until Day 4, despite the attempts of my peers to make me second guess my own sanity.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:30 pm 
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You are unreasonable. Your underlying reason is entirely unreasonable past a certain point.

Do I see a possibility of Dusky being scum? Sure. Scum with Skystone. Sure, I can definitely see it; however, the problem is that you reject anything else as reasonable. You being scum? Entirely unreasonable despite you not seeing the underlying reason for it in the first place.

So if you're upset, that's entirely you. Not Dusky. Not me. You.




At one point in this game, prior to this day, you told me that CL was town despite my stated desire to throw a lynch at him. You even argued the same for Faerie despite being wrong about Tevish later. You argue as if from a position of privileged information. Despite there being 3 scum, you are hellbent on not hitting any other likely target simply out of biased, unhinged, unobjective rationale.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:10 pm 
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Hey man, last I checked, you came to me and asked me to join this game when I was planning to sit this one out.

I don't have to put up with this.

Vote: Dusky

@JD, assuming the game doesn't end with Day 4, replace me. I'm /out


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:01 am 
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I suspect that Jay doesn't have replacements, in which case town is doomed if Zinger is town. It might be worth our while, therefore, to lynch him on that basis (insofar as Zinger being scum might well be our only out at this point in time).

In lieu of that desperate option, and hoping that one of our scum might be Rubik (thereby yielding us another day), I'm announcing my intent to vote for CL. I think that this would make me the hammer. He's probably scum if Zinger is, so lynching him covers a similar swath of possibilities.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:10 am 
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I wanted to write something about the Zinger situation, but I feel it's not my place to tell him what he should or shouldn't do.

Even if there are only 2 scum in this game it should be MyLo today without a replacement for Zinger.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:17 am 
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Rough and tumble count:

Dusky: CL, Zinger
CL: Dusky, Dark
Rubik: KoD

Just under 15 hours until deadline.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:10 am 
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Darkstar, do you still have the observations to share that you mentioned yesterday?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:13 pm 
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The longer this goes, the more sure I am of Zinger being scum.

My biggest thing regarding Zinger is that he's seemingly projected his towniness a lot in some respects, but it is unnerving that even in LyLo he's willing to throw. Never-ending that Dusky sat at L-1 twice which in and of itself is worthy of analysis.

We clearly have two teams to deal with with an overlap kind of appearing around Darkstar.

Strictly speaking, as I've maintained and addressed earlier, there is either a team of Dusky/Skystone/Darkstar or a team of Zinger/CL/Rubik.

Dusky sat at L-1 thanks to Zinger, CL, and myself. In that time Skystone and Darkstar didn't lynch Dusky. Despite what Zinger maintains, this is an indication of two distinct possibilities: Dusky is scum with Skystone/Darkstar and neither was willing to lynch their partner, or Zinger and CL are scum with Rubik and lacked the third partner's (Rubik) vote to hammer.

That's the take away from that initial situation. Then, I voted Zinger and sat on him for a decent amount of time. In that time frame there was no concerted effort from Dusky/Skystone/Darkstar to lynch Zinger for the victory as scum. Even now, where Zinger keeps his vote on himself, those three haven't piled votes on him to win. Rather, Darkstar has finally voted Dusky, but my vote is not there to secure a lynch. To me, Zinger removing his vote seems like an attempt to draw in a vote on Dusky so he can hammer

Ultimately, I've tried to find a seeming compromise. Rubik, being absent, seems like the best chance at flipping scum due to the lack of a lynch on Zinger or even Dusky in a sense. That's because she could have been lynched from either Skystone or Darkstar if, her being town, either were scum.

But Zinger is being obstinate. Yes, I asked him to join this game, but to act like that entitles him to dictate how I should vote is beyond inane. He's the one tasked with doing the best to his ability to help town win IF he's town. If he's mafia, then it's no holds bar. He's trying to guilt people into voting his way. He's trying to entice people to vote his way. He's been insulting, crude, and all manner of dare I say deceitful in an attempt to steer today's lynch towards who he desires.

I cannot support a lynch on anyone else at this point. Sure, Rubik is a good compromise as it seems he is likely a part of Zinger's team. CL too in all honesty, but if avoiding a tie or anything that would give Zinger an edge is necessary, then I'm down to do it. Zinger cannot be allowed to win if he's truly mafia.

I'd rather lose by lynching him then lose to him.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:23 pm 
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Duskyblue wrote:
Darkstar, do you still have the observations to share that you mentioned yesterday?

I will type a bigger post in about 2 hours.

But the TLDR is that:
There was a possibility until D3 that I could have become mafia-aligned if certain conditions would have been met.
This + the votes on D4 makes me believe that there are only 2 scum.

But not sure if this helps us anymore, after the Zinger thing.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:38 pm 
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Here's my role PM.

JayDreven wrote:
Welcome to the Texas Locksmith Association Zinger2099!

The TLA's aim is to better improve the reputation and spirit of cooperation among the Smithy's. We do this through instruction, discussion, and seminars for our members. Together we will build a better Smithy for tomorrow!

You are Zinger, Town aligned Decoder. Each night if you are unlocked you will receive a tidbit of information from outside of the thread (this will include Role PMs, player interactions with the mod, and any OC chats living players are partaking in). You start the game locked. Town wins when all threats are eliminated from the TLA.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:42 pm 
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@JD, if you can't replace me, you should modkill me. I've violated the rules.

I broke this rule:
"There is no discussing the game with anyone outside of Mod provided methods (ie, the Game Thread, Discords, etc)"

and this one:
"Don’t be a dick. It’s perfectly fine to rub each other the wrong way, this is a competition after all. But that said be weary of the line and do not cross it. If I feel you do I will remove you without warning."


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:43 pm 
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no comment @ Zinger.

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As I said I am pretty sure there are only 2 scum players.

Because I could have been the third player.

If we had lynched a mafia player in the first 3 days, I would have been recruited by them and my alignment would have changed.

It's hard to prove that what I said is true, but
1. I think if you look back at how I played especially on the first 2 days, you will see that my passive play makes sense if you see it from the eyes of someone that doesn't know on which side he will end up.
2. There were a lot of chances for mafia to hammer someone on D4, but they didn't to it. This only makes sense if there are 2 scum, and therefore there is no LyLo/MyLo.
3. There would be no reason to tell you that if I would be scum.

I believe that Zinger is town.
And with only 2 scum players they wouldn't have made it this far if Rubik would be one of them.

Therefore the most probable teams would be CL + KoD or Dusky + Sky.

In my opinion CL looks the scummiest of all players. So I am fine with my vote as of now.

If Zinger doesn't get modkilled or he gets modkilled but he is mafia, we should be able to mislynch one time and should be able to PoE the rest.
But if Zinger get's modkilled and he is town, there is probably no room for failure today.


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