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 Post subject: Epistemology mafia
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:09 pm 
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Epistemology
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noun - The theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope.

This is epistemology mafia. Unlike most mafia games, you will not only be deducing information within the parameters of the game, but deducing information about the parameters of the game. I will give you incomplete information, but I will not lie to you. The rules are simple enough: There are 12 players and 3 or more factions. Each player belongs to some number of factions. When all the players from a faction are killed, the faction is eliminated. When only 2 factions remain, the game ends, and anyone still alive is declared a winner. During the day, players may communicate with each other through the thread, or via private messages. You are not obligated, or even recommended to be honest about anything in either the thread or private messages, although you are forbidden from using meta-game information, such as screenshots of PMs from other players or myself. During every day except the first, players vote on someone to lynch. The person with the most votes is lynched, and the game moves to night time. In addition to their faction, each player has up to one role. This role grants them some abilities, many of which can be used to gather additional information about the game, and some of which are used during the night, although I won't go into the specifics.

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1: Mown - Winner!
2: Niklor- Lynched day 3
3: Hello World- Suicide by Mod, day 6
4: Zinger- Modkilled during night 1
5: 15377- Nightkilled during night 4
6: Neosilk- Lynched day 5
7: GobO_Scarlet - Winner!
8: Rag- Lynched day 2
9: KingofDominaria- Compulsory suicide, day 6
10: CommanderJim - Winner!
11: Squinty_eyes- Night Killed during night 2
12: Felbatista- Lynched day 4

The first day has no lynch vote, and is purely for the purpose of discussion. It will last until 72 hours from now, when the first night-time will begin.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:20 pm 
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Hai. I have nothing of importance to say right now. Somebody do something cool.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:34 pm 
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Numbers private messaging seems rather public.

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So, we're not aiming for town or Scum, but to eliminate factions..... but we dunno what factions are even available as of yet. Dunno what Day one is supposed to do, then.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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For secret alliances.
Like, the optimal line is currently to not have an allegiance. Assuming a 4/4/4 split, you just end up making 8 enemies the moment you end up in one of them. So yeah, I don't know. Someone probably has a day ability.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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This is going to be interesting...

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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@Cato, are we restricted from communicating at night, either in thread or by pm?

@nik, I don't know what you're talking about.

@mown, given cato's assertion that we won't be lied to (just half informed if you will) to be true, I can say with a high degree of certainty that there isn't a 4/4/4 break down. I cannot say if this means the factions are unequal or not though.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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Well, even if I am to believe you, a 4/4/4 is kind of like a best case scenario, unless you can be certain that you are in a majority group.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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i'll join the alliance

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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cat says the first day is only 72 hours long and for the purposes of discussing the game i guess that is what mown is doing

the objective of the game is to kill members who aren't in your faction.

hmmm

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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@Cato, are we restricted from communicating at night, either in thread or by pm?

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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Actually, the moment a member of a faction dies, the correct play for the other two is to team-up and hunt the remaining members of the first faction. This is something to keep in mind.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but in vanilla mafia, don't you win with your team regardless of whether or not you survived?

I think it's interesting that that's not the case here.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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felbatista wrote:
Actually, the moment a member of a faction dies, the correct play for the other two is to team-up and hunt the remaining members of the first faction. This is something to keep in mind.

In the case of a 4/4/4 split sure. But if numbers is to be believed, that is not necessarily the case. And if there is no 4/4/4 split, there could be singles...or more greater factions.

Note that the OP does say at least 3 factions and that each player belongs to 'some number of factions'. So crossovers/spies?

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@Mown, I'm not certain of that. But I am certain that I'm not in a faction. So since we know that there are at least three factions and I know I am not in one of those, then it's impossible from my perspective for a 4/4/4 set up. However, I cannot say if we are strictly dealing with three factions, nor can I say if all factions have equal numbers and there are other factionless out there.

@Rag, strictly speaking the object is to eliminate all factions save two. So it doesn't benefit you to go willy nilly after anybody that isn't in your faction. Fel has a good strategy. Another strategy would be to attempt to join forces with another faction before killing even starts, and attempt to control the flow of the game. Of course both of those are based under the assumption that there's only three factions. More complicates matters.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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in an information vacuum felbista's strategy is correct

the more i think about the strategy in this game the more i find cat's setup very interesting

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@15377
Since you are giving up so much information about yourself anyway, mind telling us the win condition of one without a faction? I will say that I definitely do have a faction and given that, someone without one worries me.

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