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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:13 pm 
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Very well, I might as well go. I'm the Drunk. Or rather, I was. No clue who I am now. But if you're all town that means I'm either wolf or Tanner. If someone is lying (and if Neo and Dusky confirm each other that makes JD the only possible liar) I could be town.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:20 pm 
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You confirming her does nothing to confirm you though. If you're lying what she says would ultimately be irrelevant as you'd just go "yup, that's right". But putting you out in front puts you on the spot to back your claim with the only possible fault being if you're both wolf.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:46 pm 
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NeoSilk wrote:
I'd rather have Dusky go earlier, and me confirm her. It could matter, you never know

Like... how? You think I would lie about it although you could instantly out me? :confused:


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:52 pm 
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Jay, where's your promised target claim? :p


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:01 pm 
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I was contemplating the impact of claiming before Neo. I don't think it would impact him lying though. If anything he might be more truthful if he was lying before.

I swapped Neo and Aaarrrgh. So the structure if all has been truthful would be Neo took Duskys role and then I shuffled that to Aaarrrgh. Neo would now be the drunk, dusky the robber, and Aaarrrgh would have picked up an unused role.

The questions that remain are Duskys role, any actions that may have been taken, and if anybody has anything they'd like to errata.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:03 pm 
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Oh, by the way, I'm discarded role number two. Since no one claimed seer, this is only relevant if one of you is wolf, in which case you have a shot at knowing if I'm one as well. Play accordingly.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:47 pm 
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I hope that dusky has a claim here that proves who, between JD and Argh is lying.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:06 pm 
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I have to say all three of you are a bit sketchy. :p

Neo, what do you hope to gain if I claim before you reveal my role? If you are the Robber, I can actually confirm you if you reveal the correct role. And if you are the Robber, you know my role and know I can't possibly claim something else and hope to get away with it. I am not unwilling if there's a good reason, but it seems illogical to me.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:17 pm 
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Neo is odd. His behavior screams lying wolf but if Aaarrrgh isn't also lying wolf he should have no reason to lie anymore.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:17 pm 
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If I need to clear myself, I know that Dusky was seer, before I stole her role, and (so I thought) gave her my robber role.
Pretty sure JD is scum here, again.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:17 pm 
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Okay, can confirm.

So... I saw two unused roles. Wolf (meaning there can only be one.... unless Aaarrrgh lied and did not get #2) and Tanner.

I find it slightly suspicious Aaarrrgh concluded he must be Tanner or Wolf, as he didn't know I was seer, so that was available, too. If he spoke the truth, Neo is now Tanner (role numer 2 was Tanner), and wants to be lynched. If he lied and was wolf, then Neo is now wolf and we want to lynch him.
Does it matter to town if the Tanner is lynched? Fine as long as there was no wolf or if the wolf is also lynched, right?

Jay could of course also be lying. By the time he claimed troublemaker, Neo and I had said we are not that role, and Aaarrrgh mentioned he doesn't want to say too much in case there is one, implying it wasn't him. Could have been a gamble by Jay. And in this case, Neo would be seer, and Aaaarrrgh still Tanner.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:16 am 
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I said I had to be wolf or Tanner if everyone was telling the truth, because everyone claimed to be town which would place the wolves and the Tanner as the unused roles.

I was tied when I posted about no one claiming Seer, because Seer was at that point the only town role which hasn't been claimed. Which also means that Neo isn't entirely cleared, as he could have deduced your role based on everyone else's claims as well.

But the way, just out of curiosity, which number was the wolf that you saw?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:37 am 
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And I just read the OP - I was going under the impression that there had to be at least 1 wolf, which is not true.
From my standpoint, I know that Dusky and myself are telling the truth at least, based on the info that I got.
If JD and Argh are telling the truth, doesn't that mean that I'm tanner, and the 2 unused roles are both wolves? Or could I still be a wolf?
Somehow, this seems alot more complicated than the last 2 games...

Either way, from this, it seems like I should be the target, right? Either I'm the wolf, and lynching me will win for everyone else, or I'm the tanner, and lynching me will win for me, or, if we believe I'm tanner, and there are no wolves, then we have to work out a 4-way tie, which would mean that everyone aside from me wins.

I should have just claimed wolf ;)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:26 am 
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Actually, because drunk resolves last, you are drunk, and I am whatever I grabbed from the discard.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:30 am 
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So, if all claims are true, this is the current roles of everyone:
JD is Troublemaker, no manipulation.
Dusky is Robber, given by Neo.
Neo is Drunk, switched by JD.
I am Tanner, which I grabbed from discard.
Discard roles are Wolf, Seer, Wolf, in that order.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:40 am 
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The way i see it we have one move. We lynch the tanner.

If we accept everything presented as truth on the original claims, we have a no wolf game. The problem is aaarrrgh created a situation where hes no longer town and thus we cannot form a four way tie. I say this because none of the three town can be the one to vote for him, as he will self vote for win. If we leave him to vote himself he can just vote elsewhere and everbody loses. In either scenario town cannot win.

We can, however, give the game to the tanner. Like above, town still loses if aaarrrgh pulled tanner from the mix but the lynch is controlled. Add to that the off chance aaarrrgh pulled wolf and town actually wins.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:54 am 
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I just realized that I probably forgot to put this in my rules explanation, but there is normally no self voting allowed in ONUW. I don't know if KoD wants to allow it if it wasn't said, but I feel it's against the spirit of the game.

That said, I have no problem with me being lynched. We are at a bit of a Mexican standoff, as no matter which 4-way system you suggest, I can actively disrupt it to make everyone lose. The only way you could win if I really am Tanner is by random voting and hoping for the tie.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:43 am 
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From the description of the Tanner, I assumed he can't vote himself.

I am confused about the order, though. I get that the drunk resolves last, but won't the role replace the role of the current drunk? So first Neo goes form Robber to Seer, then from Seer to drunk, and then lastly the drunk (by that time Neo) gets the unused role?

I saw roles 2 and 3 (3 being wolf).


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:09 am 
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I tend to look at abilities separate than roles. Once you activate it it's on the stack and will still resolve regardless of what happens to the source. Such that in this fame four stacks would be created:

Dusky seers two unused.
Neo switches roles with Dusky. Is informed by of new role.
Jay switches Neo and Aaarrrghs current roles.
Aaarrrgh takes on an unused role to replace his current role.

They are listed in resolve order and so would Cascade down. Resulting in our current pool if thinking. If they were handled differently like ability then resolution, then any number picking role would have to pick a number after their role were shuffled. Or if you carried the numbers through, the roles would be worded like "whomever has the drunk role at the time of resolution takes on a discarded role".

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:21 am 
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Yeah, remember that the game is built to be playable without a moderator IRL. So everyone assumes they are their starting role when it is their turn to act. I didn't know I was anything other than drunk, so I performed the drunk action. Neo didn't know he's the drunk, so he didn't do the drunk action.

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