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Which is the best Rakdos Aggro decklist?
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Black as Night, Faster than a Shadow 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Gabrosin 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
The old brutal raw power 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
AKH Rakdos Vehicles 35%  35%  [ 6 ]
Scuderia Ferrari 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Raggros 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Hell is Where the Heart is 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Hellbent madness all in! 18%  18%  [ 3 ]
Rakdocide 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Madness of Rakdos 18%  18%  [ 3 ]
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 2:19 pm 
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Hey if I vote early, can I change my vote after?

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Testing is gonna take a long time...

I'm currently playing Sjokwaave's deck and its gone 4-0.
Pretty damn good so far and setting a high standard for the rest...

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Ok I'm going to start with DJ, Timh and Gabrosins decks. I can't wait to try DJs Cut over Harassed tweak.
Points to Timh for making a Duels-tailored decklist. Very easy to build

Round One

Omg DJs deck falls first. I'm up against mono blue mill and I kept a two lander which seemed fine. Both colours, forerunner, heart of kiran, UD, Weldfast, Thopters Engineer. I draw into Scrounger and get the other one up right away. He gets T3 AND T4 Tutelage and then plays all four Take Inventory in a row. I get him to 5 life. I'm at 14-16 cards and he casts some draw 3 spell and gets lucky by flipping same colour once or twice. I can't believe it. One of my favourite decks :(. But all good things come to pass and I have too many decks as it is. What a horrible loss.
DJs deck loses this playtesting 0-1 and retires with an overall record of 92-10. I will miss it :(. It had two winning streaks of 16 and 19 at one point


TImh's deck is next. I run into a Dimir control deck with lots of fliers. To be fair to DJs deck I decide to keep a risky 2 lander as well. Swamp, Hub, bomat, Copter, ... seemed risky but okay. I get 3-4 cards on bomat and am swinging with Copter who eats fatal push. Another Copter! Whew, another fatal push. I zap his Baral but he's got 3 fliers now and my 3 Fiery tempers need double red. So I ditch the hand and draw mountains which turns my adept into a 5/2 but he anguished him. I got him down to 2 or 5 life but he got me. TImh's deck falls too with a horrid 0-1 showing. Retiring the deck with an overall record of 5-2, awful.


Time for my entry, Gabrosins deck... kept a super risky opener with 3 swamp and plenty of red spells including a double red. Never drew a single mountain but scrap heap, heir and alms pulled it off in their own! Crazy. 1-0 for this playtesting so far. Overall record 10-3. Time to build the rest of these decks to see who else survives round one


Played Sjoks deck against Espère Zombies. I kept removing the Lords but I think I should have removed the lifegain guy, what a pain he is. Kept a risky two lander but the deck came out nicely. Copter helped me dig for the win. Couldn't get a 4th land to play Hazoret and I was 21 cards deep. Still won tho against a guy with 7 land or so, yay. 1-0


Played WWs deck, kept a two lander but it was an awesome hand. I won really fast. 1-0


Havens deck is a blast. Ferrari is 1-0


Modulos Raggros wins it's first match too 1-0


Played Hellbent Madness. I think I'm in love. This is my favourite to play so far. 1-0. Absolutely demolished the AI and first game on ladder. I think the AI conceded, I've never seen that


Played Gems Radkocide. That was a nailbiter. I was against Superfriends and got him down to 12 fast but then Lnguish, ouch. Gem has packed so much burn into this deck, it's awesome. He plays Nissa Vital Force but I have 9 points of burn in hand. He gives me targets for my UDs and I get a Scrounger who ch was awesome. I nailed the Bloodpriest he stole from me, hitting him for 3. I swing with Scrounger, down to 6. I'm holding up another UD, Fiery Temper, Exquisite Firecraft and Shock!!. I have six mana. It takes me forever before I realize I can playshock and firecraft with my 3 mountains, 2 swamps and imprisioned on the moon. Great deck Gem! 1-0


Okay and to end round one, Madness of Radkos eats elves with Insult (I don't think people know what that does) so 1-0 here too


So at the end of the first round of playtesting, two of my favourites , DJ and Timh are eliminated in last place :(

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 10:13 pm 
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have you thought about testing the decks vs a same opponent? especially probably the worst matchup - Jund midrange control. how does the deck get through push lightning radiant flames, and fight against big creatures etc?

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That sounds boring, it's more fun adding in some chance and go pub stomping

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So at the end of the first round of playtesting, two of my favourites , DJ and Timh are eliminated in last place :(


Keeps bad hands, blames losses on the decks. :V

Seriously tho, you've seen my list, gotta know you can't keep an opening hand that has no repeatable red source unless you're holding something lopsided like Wanderer, Dragoon, Alms and an artifact or two.

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I think that maybe the mana base is too greedy but Who knows

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You're prob right but I felt better taking direction from steam showdowns runner up as opposed to someone who couldn't even beat Valor in Asskros in fight club. :p

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/143809645

Day 1 testing session (no AI, if I don't know how to play these hellbent lists by now, then... well, I'm still not gaining any insight from testing them vs AI). No dialogue on this one - new place's living room is too close to sleeping family to talk. I know you'll miss my witty banter and sexy Barry White voice, but such is life.


3 games Sjokwaave's list: 2-1.
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2 games with Black Barney/Gabrosin's deck before my game crashed and I called it a night: 2-0.
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Great write up! "My" deck is doing best!

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This is very fun! I can see from the fine decks list submitted that I still have so much to learn on deck building, but frankly I don't know any better way to learn than this one.
I can see that there is an argument being made regarding the mana base of some decks, so I was wandering how do you guys came to the right number of lands, I recently watch this video

that basically states that there is a relation between cmc of the deck and the #of lands you should run. I used the magicduelshelper and I got less than 1 cmc from my deck so I decide to run 19 lands, the deck almost never wants more lands and if I happen to drop the 4th one I generally just keep them on hand to enable madness when no better options, I was wandering if this is a useful rule of thumb or it is just wrong.

I will be testing the other decks on the ladder to see how that goes, on first impression the "Madness of Rakdos" - Red Acuta has a very solid list will try that one first and then "The old brutal raw power" - WoodlandWanderer that looks interesting.

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Cucho i love your list


DJ, I'm so sorry :(. I was heartbroken


Round 2 of playtesting starts tonight!

Up first, Madness of Radkos. I had to mulligan to 5 and kept a 1 lander. How can Barney possibly win against a full RDW deck? Especially after his t1 bomat courier to fix his hand gets harassed lightninged immediately?! Brawlers ftw! RDW can't touch these bastards. What a humiliating loss for opponent. 2-0


Going to take a break to go to Western Union and then dinner. Moar later

Were back baby, Gems radkocide deck is next... I can't get a damn game going...
Ok mulled to 6 and drew an insane amount of cards off of Key versus azorious tempo. Really fun. 2-0


Hellbent madness runs over white weenies getting Always Watching out early and everything. This deck goes soooo wide, i love it. What's the ideal target for Infectious Bloodlust? Any ideas? Karl is tempting but I almost always throw it on Garrison. 2-0

Modulos turn...lol that was fast. I discarded Insult ahead of Scrounger and that was key. Getting to play injury from GY on opponents key card, Wharf Infiltrator, was a back breaker. 2-0

Havens Ferrari is next...win! 2-0

Time for The Old Brutal...won against Radkos vamps. Was close. 2-0

Sjok deck wins too 2-0 against GW. I again had to discard early and went for Scrounger over Insult. I think it was a mistake. Early pressure is good. I ended up discarding Insult with Key so I could Injury his mana dork and that's that. 2-0

Only one left. This round is going really well

Played Gabrosins deck next, my submission! Had an awful opening hand so I Mill to 7 which has a swamp and that land that lets you cycle. I keep it cuz I have key to the city and Alms. I draw only red cards and no mountains against a really strong green deck. So I lose and my own deck is out!! 1-1


So round three tomorrow evening. 7 decks left. All 2-0

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Day 2. Gabrosin, Woodland Wanderer, DJ0045

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/144236962

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Gabrosin: 1.5-0 (only intended to play the 3rd match and move on, but 1st opp got mana screwed and conceded T3 so I played another for an actual game)

Woodland Wanderer: 2-1

DJ0045: 3-0 or maybe 4-0. Games were all pretty quick and dominant so I can't remember if I did 3 or 4. Will watch replay on this one...

Impressions after 2 hellbent, 2 vehicles - vehicles feel more stable than hellbent. However that feeling of living on the edge makes the hellbent ones more fun for me. So far Gabrosin's my favorite for hellbent (had a pretty sick match where I played a Control game as opposed to aggro so that was cool versitility), and DJs is my favorite for vehicles.

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Cucho i love your list

Thanks BB coming from you it means a lot! :D
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Madness of Rakdos
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Game 1 Vs Ramp ... poor guy he did not stand a chance
Game 2 Vs Grixis Drake heaven, this one last a little longer but I manage to leave him with 2 life before a Languish then I top deck a Alms veins for the win
Game 3 Vs WB zombies, again I overrun the board before he could stabilize, zaping his blockers with shock and fiery temper.

I really enjoyed the deck it is fast and consistent, I would also like to recognise Furyblade Vampire as a great team player allowing all the madness shenanigans to work in perfect timing.

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Day 2. Gabrosin, Woodland Wanderer, DJ0045

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/144236962

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Gabrosin: 1.5-0 (total 3.5-0)
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Woodland Wanderer: 2-1
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DJ0045: 4-0.
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Impressions after 2 hellbent, 2 vehicles - vehicles feel more stable than hellbent. However that feeling of living on the edge makes the hellbent ones more fun for me. So far Gabrosin's my favorite for hellbent (loved that match where I played a Control game, appreciating the versatility), and DJs is my favorite for vehicles. Harvesters proving their value to Rakdos Vehicles.

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I've got a busy week so I'm not sure how much testing I'll be able to do. My goal is 5 games per deck, which, hopefully won't take too long - these decks should generally win fast or not at all.

Also, I haven't really ranked up since AKH so my opponents aren't very high level (yet). I forgot to note the rank of the first 3 decks I played against.

So, starting with...

Black as Night, Faster than a Shadow

Game 1 vs. Rakdos Madness:
I actually played this 2 nights ago and was pretty zonked while playing so I was making errors. But I managed to just barely eke out a win. Barely.

Game 2 vs. Boros Strikes First:
This deck does NOT like facing first strikers. I got a few creatures and 2 Fiery Tempers but no other removal. 2 Brawlers, Scrounger, Hellion, and Pia got me pretty close, but his 2 Consul's Lieutenant, Knight of the White Orchid, and Infectious Bloodlust enchanted Iroas's Champion and 2 Twinbolts helped him weather the storm and turn things around, forcing me to sacrifice creatures every attack to keep pushing damage through. Perhaps I could have switched to control mode and stalemated him for a while instead, but I think he'd have had the advantage in the long run - especially with those Twinbolts.

Game 3 vs. Old-School Thopterz:
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Game 4 vs. Mono :g: (7):
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Game 5 vs. Izzet Manaskrood? (15):
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I'm going to simplify my summary for this challenge. Theme is a pointless metric since they are all aggro and all Rakdos so they'd all get 5/5. Fun factor is irrelevant because these are supposed to be Spike decks. Who cares if they are fun. They just need to be effective. Originality is also irrelevant. So I'm just gonna do a tally and give my thoughts, sans rating this time.

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RoUnd three has begun of playtesting !!

Sjok up first ...wins against...something. 3-0 for black as night

WWs old brutal up next...win! 3-0

Havens Ferrari time for a drive...win 3-0

Raggros next, i only had 2 mana for most of the game and still won against Dimir yet again. 3-0

Oh boy Cuchos deck is next, can't wait...win against mono green caca. 3-0

Gem is up...ugh lost bad against Abzan investigate energy (you know, the standard build). I think I misplayed bomat courier early and ran it with two cards into a 1/1 death touch thing that would have made tokens. Anyway 2-1 gems deck is eliminated

Up next...Madness of Radkos...win! 3-0


Onto round four of playtesting. Six decks remain, all 3-0

Madness of radkos wins. 4-0

Cuchos deck also wins, 4-0.

Modulo is next...yay big win against mono black. Insult with Flameblades and Neonate a! The red manace. 4-0

Who's up next? Let's see... ah yes, havens Ferrari....ugh, played against Dimir Control. Lots of counters and sweepers but I stuck to it and the cruisers did lots of work with the Nalaars saving the day in the end with some timely UDs as well. 4-0

Old Brutal is up next by WW...ouf.. outlasts mono black. That guy had so much removal. All I had left was a bomat courier stacked with cards. UD took out that scary counters demon, whew. And I tricked him into losing Yaheeli, yay 4-0

Closing out the fourth round will be Sjoks Black by Night...win! Against Orzhov that can't find a plains for the life of him. My T3 was three fiery tempers with Dragoon on T2, lol. No moar board for opponent. 4-0


Well another time for round five of playtesting. Still 6 decks left with 4-0 records...

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Day 3: Haven_PT, Modulo, Me

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Haven_PT 3-0
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Modulo 3-0
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Me 3-0
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Current tally is Vehicles 9-1, Hellbents 11.5-1 Thats the last time I'm going to mention the .5.

Overall Rakdos Aggro Challenge record 20-2. Not too shabby fellas.

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Ok round 5 of playtesting starts now, six decks left, all 4-0.

First up is Sjoks Black as Night... win against embalm GW. 5-0

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