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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:01 am 
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i was gonna write a follow up to the 1% post just to trigger DJ but decided not to. I'm glad to see he responded.

i hate the food there. Chiptole's owners and board of directors are free to pay their CEO whatever they want and see fit.


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i was gonna write a follow up to the 1% post just to trigger DJ but decided not to. I'm glad to see he responded.

i hate the food there. Chiptole's owners and board of directors are free to pay their CEO whatever they think he/she is worth.


ftfy

Also, thanks for not trolling me. I'd have seen through it, but I probably would have felt the need to write one million words instead of a few hundred, lol.

Nobody wants that post.

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Athletes do not (usually) get to make firing decisions at the level of mass layoffs. They also (usually) don’t have the power to bring about company wide changes in pay level, prices, direction, etc.

This does not mean it is fair (or unfair) for CEOs to be targeted. It is just an attempt at explaining the difference in how the two positions are colloquially viewed. More people are gonna come at the king than the rook.

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Athletes do not (usually) get to make firing decisions at the level of mass layoffs. They also (usually) don’t have the power to bring about company wide changes in pay level, prices, direction, etc.

This does not mean it is fair (or unfair) for CEOs to be targeted. It is just an attempt at explaining the difference in how the two positions are colloquially viewed. More people are gonna come at the king than the rook.


In an effort to help you stop being one of "most people," I'll just point out that your reasoning is a justification for higher CEO pay, rather than the other way around. The CEO of Chipotle's decisions directly affect ~60K people - you probably want a pretty-damn talented person in that position, and that isn't going to come cheaply. And I didn't even mention the shareholders, they too need an excellent CEO.

Side note: commonly held, stupid beliefs aren't any less stupid just because many people believe them.


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Oh DJ you are one funny mother ****. Thanks for the comic relief.

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Funniest NGA member is who anyway? Has to be nighthawk, no?


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Oh DJ you are one funny mother ****. Thanks for the comic relief.


Thanks! :thumbsup:

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Funniest NGA member is who anyway? Has to be nighthawk, no?

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And............... never mind.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:44 pm 
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Athletes do not (usually) get to make firing decisions at the level of mass layoffs. They also (usually) don’t have the power to bring about company wide changes in pay level, prices, direction, etc.

This does not mean it is fair (or unfair) for CEOs to be targeted. It is just an attempt at explaining the difference in how the two positions are colloquially viewed. More people are gonna come at the king than the rook.


In an effort to help you stop being one of "most people," I'll just point out that your reasoning is a justification for higher CEO pay, rather than the other way around. The CEO of Chipotle's decisions directly affect ~60K people - you probably want a pretty-damn talented person in that position, and that isn't going to come cheaply. And I didn't even mention the shareholders, they too need an excellent CEO.

Side note: commonly held, stupid beliefs aren't any less stupid just because many people believe them.


I think that taking the argument around low income Vs CEO income is indeed not very productive but in your arguments you dont address that there is a very real issue with minimum wages... (not absolutely sure about this but if US is like every other country in the world minimum wage for the most time fails to provide the income needed to get by) the easiest solution is to charge the consumer but it could also go around shortening the gaps of income within the company, CEO getting paid on objectives and % is totally understandable I think the point is not that and its more about how minimum wages sustain industries at a human cost, that society ends up paying either way.

I wonder what you guys think are the right steps to solve those issues.

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Step 1) don't conflate those two issues.


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I was in fact trying to separate them...

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I don’t even think minimum wage should even be brought up when discussing CEO salaries. They have nothing to do with each other and it then leads the discussion towards some sort of parity nonsense


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... Im taking crazy pills now... I was trying to separate the issue... CEO wage is irrelevant for the thing about rasing the $ per hour... which I thought was interesting to debate...

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I don’t know why you’re bringing up Netflix


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I don’t know why you’re bringing up Netflix

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Cucho... Burrito Barn, or whatever the place is called, is going to be paying its employees $15/hr. That's substantially more than minimum wage. I don't think there is any cause to complain about their new wages, unless you buy their burritos (which will soon be more expensive).


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You stated that you thought people should be going after athletes for getting paid too much. I was just trying to make a point about why people don’t.

Tbh, It is my opinion that this is an emotionally charged issue where we are discussing the wrong topic entirely (as a nation). CEO pay has very little to do, pos or neg, with the rest of the things people are calling “issues”. It shouldn’t be part of the minimum wage discussion.

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I don’t see $15/hr succeeding long term at a national level. Too much of a silver bullet. Not enough werewolves running around.

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Wrong definition of funny.

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