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I would rather believe the opposite of my position; because I would be happier that way. I also believe I have provided enough of a starting point that I don’t look like my position is pulled straight out of my ass and nowhere else. Thus I will not further try to convince you.

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Why is ass not censored but **** is?

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Why is ass not censored but **** is?


Because ass has a double meaning. As in I rode an ass to school this morning. No idea what the other word was. :(


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mjack33 wrote:
I would rather believe the opposite of my position; because I would be happier that way. I also believe I have provided enough of a starting point that I don’t look like my position is pulled straight out of my ass and nowhere else. Thus I will not further try to convince you.


There’s nothing to convince me of. We don’t disagree on your stats.

I wonder if those stats correlate with any significance to either political party. That would be interesting. Did your sources have any data on the subject?


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Like a few weeks ago they were laughing at how the democrats thought the world would end in 12 years if we didn't address climate change. Er....no, that is not at all what was said.


AOC literally said that tho. And WaPo ran an opinion piece with headline saying she was absolutely right
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... utType=amp

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Not a fan of her at all


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Not a fan of her at all


She’s a symptom, not the cause. On that, I’d bet even mjack and I can agree.


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Increased polarization yada yada loss of civility grumble grumble.

I don’t like AOC or “the squad” for reasons that have little to do with their policies. I also don’t like some of their policies; but I don’t dislike people based solely on political differences.

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The tea party is largely why we have trump and a break from common sense politics a bit. She’s the early hatchling of this effect on the left and no good can come from it.


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Increased polarization yada yada loss of civility grumble grumble.

I don’t like AOC or “the squad” for reasons that have little to do with their policies. I also don’t like some of their policies; but I don’t dislike people based solely on political differences.


So is it their surface characteristics or the gametes they produce? :V

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Not a fan of AOC either, and her saying that is pretty retarded. I guess that is my bad for not knowing she said that. When I did a search on the whole 12 year thing at the time, that did not come up at all, just the original predictions that 12 years is a point where things will be more difficult to fix past then.

Now that I am aware of it, I am even more appalled that she is defended her position based on misunderstanding the UN report, and then said it 'was a joke'. She is basically the left's version of Trump in many ways.

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Nah... the left’s version of Trump was Al Gore. Like I said, she (AOC) is a symptom not the cause. Gore’s tactics are very similar to Trump’s: use unsubstantiated claims, based loosely on facts, to create a false or exaggerated narrative, which serves a political aim (specifically by promoting fear), AND can be used to attack members from the other side of the political spectrum.

If Gore was a terrible orator, he’d be exactly Trump, so I guess that’s something positive in his camp.

They both have some weird complexes which led them to this behavior. Gore probably still thinks the Presidency was stolen from him, I think he was probably fine before that event, but it’s hard to say. Trump is a giant douche, and has been for decades - I genuinely believe that he thinks his B.S. is true. Where do we even find these people?


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I agree on the symptom part, but I believe the same about Trump. If Trump disappeared tomorrow, that would not solve anything. His followers would just find the next Trump and put him in office. Sarah Palin was an early version of what his base wanted. She was just a bit too early.

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mjack33 wrote:
Increased polarization yada yada loss of civility grumble grumble.

I don’t like AOC or “the squad” for reasons that have little to do with their policies. I also don’t like some of their policies; but I don’t dislike people based solely on political differences.


So is it their surface characteristics or the gametes they produce? :V


They either do not seem to understand or do not care to understand how to use a chisel instead of a sledgehammer.

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Fan of AOC here she tells things that need to be spoken out loud in places that have grown too indulgents with the way things are, I dunno the details of US internal politics in deep so I have been avoiding to comment, but on the 12 years thing I would assume that she means is that if we don't make severe changes in our economic system in the next 12 years it would be too late to make changes at all... and that is something I can get behind... as most scientific reports on the subject... that sucks for US, Russia and China ... sure... it sucks more to undeveloped countries.

Capitalism as we know it should be on the way out if we want to leave something to the future, AOC is a symptom sure, the problem is the economic system, where the free market has lobbyist on congress, is controlled by corporations, deformed by the stock market and where collusion is the new way of monopoly, but hell that is the way things work, so if you was born on the right side of the city its all ok no need to change wealth distribution, if some lunatic is killing kids its ok no need to change gun laws coz you are not bringing the deads to the table, if you want oil for your obsolete economic then you must wage war to whomever has it coz again you are not bringing the dead, no problem... its all for democracy and freeing the world... give me a break... but it seems that people over there are just too comfortably numbed to realize it or you just have grown too hypocritical about it.

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Bernie Sanders is capable of doing a positive town hall on Fox News; or at least he has done so in the past. While I disagree with some of his policies, Bernie Sanders has been able to go into hostile territory and have a civil political discourse with people who call him a radical socialist.

Elizabeth Warren in the past was able to go have a deep red town hall. She wasn’t anywhere near as good at it as Sanders; but she did manage to really talk with people.

A lot of the more “progressive” Democratic reps have not shown anywhere near the same ability; and some of them go far out of their way to antagonize some of their detractors. On both sides of the aisle, not just R vs D. The Sanders campaign is actually reaching a point where they are starting to consider some of them liabilities instead of assets. It’s hard enough to govern when people only disagree on policy.

AOC has so far not shown much of an ability to actually govern imo. Stirring up **** doesn’t do much good if you piss people off to the point where they want to disagree with you solely because of said **** stirring. Pointing out problems does no good when the messenger comes with a vuvuzela and an air horn.

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A Christian group asked very bluntly on Twitter the single poll question of whether or not the US needs more Christians in political office.

Thousands of votes later, they blamed the 96% No answers to the Yes No question on atheists and satanists.

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When asked what would happen if Trump lost but refused to leave the White House; Pete Butiegeg said he could do chores.

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The ACLU is arguing that Devin Nunes’ cow has a first amendment right to call him a treasonous cowpoke on Twitter. A similar statement is expected for Devin Nunes’ mom.

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AOC is not a leader to govern she is focused on showing how her political view is different to the democrats and in that role she is instrumental to strip the system into an honest negotiation wich is the true nature of good politics... The art of negotiation.

Her job is to push boundaries so true politics can take place. I wonder how many laws have her pushed? is she willing to negotiate into common ground when her aim is too high for the status quo? Does she make good negotiations?
I think she is well aware of her role in the congress, and in a bipartisan lock such as there is in the US she is fresh air to me.

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If I used the phrase Norquist Republican; would y’all understand what I meant?

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