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 Post subject: Re: Bant manipulation
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:48 pm 
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If I play this deck again (currently fiddling with Nexus), I'm considering Temur. The elemental package is already semi-playable, and going Temur means both Omnath and Chandra. 6-mana Chandra destroys Nexus, is effective vs. Scapeshift, and helps against control, too.


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 Post subject: Re: Bant manipulation
PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:37 am 
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Honestly, the strongest version of Manip rn is the Simic version with Leyline IMO. Elemental package other than Leafkin Druid/Risen Reef/maybe 1-2 Cavaliers is just way slower than that.

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 Post subject: Re: Bant manipulation
PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:26 am 
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How do you beat Scapeshift with Simic?


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 Post subject: Re: Bant manipulation
PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:30 am 
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Nexus....

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 Post subject: Re: Bant manipulation
PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:08 am 
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Nexus....


Yeah, but that's not Manipulation.

Problem with Simic is that I don't see good sideboard cards against Scapeshift. Ashiok isn't much of a sideboard card - it disables like 8 cards from their deck, which slows them down but doesn't solve the problem of how to win after getting to late-game, which you are going to get to, since ramp doesn't kill very fast. Crafty Cutpurse works but it's only for one turn, and it's disabled by 3-mana Teferi anyway. Bant at least has Deputy of Detention. 3-mana Teferi disables their EoT-Scapeshift combo, and can potentially rebuy Deputy as well.


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