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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:46 am 
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English has so many confusing, contextual quirks already that introducing another minor one in the interest of being respectful to people is an easy call to make.

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:47 pm 
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You're done? I'm back in, baby! Dominaria whips! I bought a god damn box of Magic boosters for the first time in my life! Woo!

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:01 am 
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Can i haz ur stuf?

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:54 am 
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The legendary frame is lazy af but Dom seems alright apart from that


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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:14 am 
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Mata Hari wrote:
The legendary frame is lazy af but Dom seems alright apart from that

My thoughts basically.
The targeting rule changes were necessary and good, but seem like something that could have used a little more lead time.

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:14 pm 
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yeah the thing with the targeting rules is that the rules for planeswalker damage were a bad hack when they came out, because their vision for planeswalkers was incompatible with the templating of burn spells up to that point. they had two options to fix that, neither of which was good, and they chose the one that introduced gross back-end rules instead of the one that required them to errata hundreds or thousands of cards. that was probably the safer bet at the time because a) they didn't know if walkers would stick around, and b) it's better to mess with the new thing than the old things, but as walkers became more ingrained in the game that calculus started to shift, and having this really weird, unintuitive rule for one of your major card types is a bad look. so this was coming eventually, and I'm not sure there was a good way to announce it. maybe a tiered roll-out? announce the intent and start printing new cards with that formatting, but wait until there's a bunch of cards that use the new template before you officially errata the old ones?

also, don't use "any target" when you mean "creature, player, or planeswalker" because there's lots of potential targets that aren't any of those.

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:40 pm 
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razorborne wrote:
... maybe a tiered roll-out? announce the intent and start printing new cards with that formatting, but wait until there's a bunch of cards that use the new template before you officially errata the old ones?

also, don't use "any target" when you mean "creature, player, or planeswalker" because there's lots of potential targets that aren't any of those.

:duel:

That was what I hoped for. Once enough spells that targeted walkers were printed, it wouldn't be such a big deal when the old player-centric burn stopped working on them. Of course, they also should have started years ago. Maybe even announced that the old redirect rules would be a temp measure right from the beginning.

As to "any target"? :gross:

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:37 pm 
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In no particular order:

1: Anyone want to buy a Champions of Kamigawa Cube? A complete set of mint cards, plus two more playsets of commons, plus lands, all sleeved in black Ultrapro. $350

2. I don't have a smartphone. So, no, the errata is annoying, and non-obvious. I would not have expected Blightning to hit planeswalkers, for instance, but sure, I see.

3. Oh, I guess that deck never worked. No one ever contested it though. Probably because of the errata to playing and casting etc that has happened over the years; people just take your word an older errated card does what you say it does. I suppose there is a lesson there about the consequences of errata......

4. Not a big fan of "their." Obviously there is a hole in the english language for a proper genderless single-person pronoun. I generally find gender less important to most sentences than the number of people about which the sentence concerns, but whatever. No getting off this PC? train now. Would rather have Zir or something make headway; fill that hole with something pls.

5. But I was actually more bothered by " Add mana" with no rest of sentence.

6. And "any target," for I will read Jaya's Immolating Inferno and totally think I can burn a creature, my opponent, and an unactivated Faerie Conclave pre-combat.

7. I mean, Champions of Kamigawa was an interesting draft and sealed set. All those insular mechanics work great! And a prepared cube, ready to go?!

8. You cannot haz mur stuff. But you can haz some of it. For $350.

9. No really that is the only reason I made this post. PM me if interested.

10. Man, I hope people look at this. Maybe I should have made a new thread...


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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:16 pm 
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Wow, I didn't think you were serious.
"Gain" mana might have been better than "add". Adding implies your combining it with some other amount. Gain means you get it- it's your mana now.

I'm not in a position to buy, but what's in the cube? Is it basically a replica of what the draft format would be?

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:04 pm 
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Of all the changes, "Add " is the one that does still bother me a bit. I'd be happy if they replaced it with "gain" or "produce", but "add" just doesn't make sense without the rest of the sentence.

But the legendary frames, the flavor text line, "any target," "they," I'm all pretty happy with.

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:52 pm 
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Are the legendary frames here to stay? I assumed it was a one time thing. Not of fan of them.

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*"To YMTC it up" means to design cards that have value mostly from a design perspective. i.e. you would put them in a case under glass in your living room and visitors could remark upon the wonderful design principles, with nobody ever worring if the cards are annoying/pointless/confusing in actual play

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
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TPmanW wrote:
Are the legendary frames here to stay? I assumed it was a one time thing. Not of fan of them.

They're a permanent thing. They also showed up in the latest (and last) duel decks.

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:24 am 
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I would've given the Dominaria legends the traditional pre-8th edition frames.

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:19 pm 
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i wouldve given everything going forward the pre-8th frames

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:21 am 
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I would've given everything the Planar Chaos frames.

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that also wouldve been... acceptable


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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
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I’m probably done too. Not due to the rules changes but I just dropped like $300 on a Dinosaur Commander, had my fun with it and have a feeling it just got invalidated by a set release with it not even being that strong to begin with. Who needs that neverending hamster wheel.


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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:17 pm 
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How'd your dino commander deck get invalidated by Dominaria?

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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:34 pm 
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Hard to say without more experience with the new cards, but with the Intro of Brawl, I’d say the concept of having a Commander Deck that is relevant for quite awhile is going to be a thing of the past because it would seem they have Commander in their sights as another cash cow funnel.

Dominaria had some powerful cards for Commander. Helm of the Host comes to mind among others.


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 Post subject: Re: I'm done.
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You guys are making me want to make custom frames for mse

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