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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2023 2:38 am 
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I could go point by point through the treaty as I was made aware of it, but that's wholly moot; you'll believe what you want to believe.

Go ahead. Prove I broke our treaty if you can. You can't, but I dare you to try.


You misunderstand, I mean I could go point by point through all terms and definitions accessible to me to assert my lack of violation of the strict terms, given my position therein.

I said (or implied, it seems the meaning was not caught and that is on me) when this entire nonsense spat began I couldn't prove wrongdoing on you and that I therefore wouldn't try.

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So do you believe I (and for that matter the other fakers, HW and Sky) am a member and signatory? Or do you believe I(we) to be a third party knowledgeable of the deal but apart from its subjects and beneficiaries?

You aren't a member. You weren't even privy to the negotiations in which a "member" was defined, so I'm not sure how you could claim to even know what a "member" was. If we were even to consider you a "signatory"—as in someone who "signed" the deal—that's wholely irrelevant, on account of the fact that Rag and I clearly deemed the members to be her and me and our faction mates. You are not Rag, you are not me, and you do not share a faction with either of us. Ergo, you are not a "member". That logic is irrefutable, but even if you were to somehow refute it, that still wouldn't matter, because a deal entered into under bad faith is not legally binding. Just google "bad faith legal definition" and you'll see it plenty well defines you.

The only reason I haven't taken swift and decisive action against you, HW, or Sky, is because I've said time and time again that you were Roman infiltrators, not Spider Cult ones, as such, I think it's up to Rome to decide how best to respond to your blatant acts of treason.

That said, the recent revelation that some of you might have once been Roman and now aren't thanks to KoD's shenanigans might change my view on some of that. Someone who was once Roman but had their faction changed might be able to make an argument towards being a "member", but certainly not someone who was posing as a Roman in order to spy on them.

Of course, I can tell already that the only reason you even asked this rhetorical question is to maneuver me into a corner in which I have to admit you are free to reveal details about the Spider Cult that you may have learned through this debacle because, as a non-member, you are allegedly not bound by term #4.a, but that's a stupid stance to take because you already stabbed me (and everyone else in that Coalition) in the back, so why should you care about whether or not you're allowed under my definition to do so even more?The winners will be the players who have achieved entry to Zenon's Tea Party.


On that you are at least partially correct. I was more concerned about term #1, which currently excludes me in participating in two of the three leading wagons if it is considered to hold. Real talk, I rode getting a private chat with rag by guesswork to apparently way bigger, and wish to be sure that I don't cross any line that would see bruised feelings taken beyond the game, which I fear having potentially strayed close to.

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2023 2:40 am 
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Actually, Neon, you can tell me who they are privately tonight so that they remain unknown to everyone else. I accept your deal.

In return for a decree guaranteeing my invite to the tea party, I, Zinger2099, pinky promise, under the oath of my No Lie Policy, to not try to directly or indirectly cult, kill, or harm Neon Abigail, plus two other players of her choosing, under the binding proviso that KingofDominaria not be named as one of those two people.

Ball's in your court, Neon.

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2023 2:52 am 
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Oh well, zinger just broke point 2 of the coalition, as the head successor of rag as declared by her in thread d1, I now want to ask my fellow members of rag alliance counsel on whenever our pact still stand, given that zinger solemnly promised in thread to something that breaks it.


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Oh well, zinger just broke point 2 of the coalition, as the head successor of rag as declared by her in thread d1, I now want to ask my fellow members of rag alliance counsel on whenever our pact still stand, given that zinger solemnly promised in thread to something that breaks it.

"2. The members of the coalition agree to prioritise the wins of their coalition-mates above the wins of people not members of the coalition."

Check again, bub. My proposed deal with Neon does not violate this condition.

Furthermore, as you are NOT Roman, you are unable to claim rite of succession under Rag as the Roman head of state. :bored:

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Oh well, zinger just broke point 2 of the coalition, as the head successor of rag as declared by her in thread d1, I now want to ask my fellow members of rag alliance counsel on whenever our pact still stand, given that zinger solemnly promised in thread to something that breaks it.

Let me predict where this is going? Zinger will repudiate you. His grounds will be that he didn't disadvantage any remaining member compared to a non-member, since Abigail and her chosen two are not having their wins promoted by Zinger.

This will then get really, really heated if it continues

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You just agreed to not cult/kill/harm a second faction alongside the spider cult, that basically shoots either your or the romans chance of winning to 0.


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Oh well, zinger just broke point 2 of the coalition, as the head successor of rag as declared by her in thread d1, I now want to ask my fellow members of rag alliance counsel on whenever our pact still stand, given that zinger solemnly promised in thread to something that breaks it.

Let me predict where this is going? Zinger will repudiate you. His grounds will be that he didn't disadvantage any remaining member compared to a non-member, since Abigail and her chosen two are not having their wins promoted by Zinger.

This will then get really, really heated if it continues

It goes even a step further than that. Since my deal with Neon is securing the eventual win of one member of the Coalition, I am actually prioritizing the win of a Coalition member by making this deal. 1 win down, 2 wins to go by my count. :bored:

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You just agreed to not cult/kill/harm a second faction alongside the spider cult, that basically shoots either your or the romans chance of winning to 0.

Neon is not a member of any faction. Neon's continued survival doesn't impede the wins of anyone.

As for Neon's 2 chosen mates... I presume she will choose Monster as one of them, who has claimed to not be a member of a faction either (and Neon seems to have confirmed her claims). That leaves one person who may get in our way that I personally can't do **** about (but that doesn't rule out the other members of the Coalition). This is a small, and acceptable price to pay in order to secure 33% of our Coalitions win guaranteed, allowing us to spend the remainder of our efforts on the other 66%.

I know the terms well. I live by them. I stared KoD's infinite rage dead in the face, and while you were making backroom deals with the devil, I was refusing to break on our alliance in front of him. I know my place and to whom my loyalties lie. Do you? You've left me out to dry all Day. You are the ones in violation of our terms, not me.

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2023 3:06 am 
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The real question here is not whether Zinger is breaching (2), but whether Zinger is contributing to another member's lynch without that member's consent. Flipping Neon onto HW is not exactly good for HW's survival.


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The real question here is not whether Zinger is breaching (2), but whether Zinger is contributing to another member's lynch without that member's consent. Flipping Neon onto HW is not exactly good for HW's survival.

Irrelevant. The lot of you could pile votes on KoD right now and both HW and I would live to see the end of the Day.

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Before I agree to this, who are the two people? I think it's fair I know before I make this deal.


I thought you might rather that be a secret amongst us. Neither is KoD though.

If you truly wish for it to be public I will exclaim it.

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Before I agree to this, who are the two people? I think it's fair I know before I make this deal.


I thought you might rather that be a secret amongst us. Neither is KoD though.

If you truly wish for it to be public I will exclaim it.

Read on, you'll see I accepted.

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Zinger2099 wrote:
Actually, Neon, you can tell me who they are privately tonight so that they remain unknown to everyone else. I accept your deal.

In return for a decree guaranteeing my invite to the tea party, I, Zinger2099, pinky promise, under the oath of my No Lie Policy, to not try to directly or indirectly cult, kill, or harm Neon Abigail, plus two other players of her choosing, under the binding proviso that KingofDominaria not be named as one of those two people.

Ball's in your court, Neon.



By the power invested in me from her royal highness the queen I, the master of teas, decree that so long as Zinger is not directly or indirectly involved in killing culting or otherwise attempting to harm me or 2 people of my choosing one tea party invite shall be permanently held in his name until the time of the party.

This agreement is binding even should the proposed parties be harmed or killed by others so long as Zinger is not involved.

Zenon shall also make every effort possible to ensure Zinger achieved his wincon by the time of the tea party. This binding shall be mutually beneficial and shall include a pact of protection. Neither me or mine nor Zinger or his shall ever interfere with or attempt to vote or harm each other or their invites to the party shall be held void by order of the queen.

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I hope that will do and pleasure doing business with you. Please keep your spiders away from the tea and uh I'll try to get over my fears.

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GGs everyone. :V

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Neon, thank you. <3

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Zinger2099 wrote:
You just agreed to not cult/kill/harm a second faction alongside the spider cult, that basically shoots either your or the romans chance of winning to 0.

Neon is not a member of any faction. Neon's continued survival doesn't impede the wins of anyone.

As for Neon's 2 chosen mates... I presume she will choose Monster as one of them, who has claimed to not be a member of a faction either (and Neon seems to have confirmed her claims). That leaves one person who may get in our way that I personally can't do **** about (but that doesn't rule out the other members of the Coalition). This is a small, and acceptable price to pay in order to secure 33% of our Coalitions win guaranteed, allowing us to spend the remainder of our efforts on the other 66%.

I know the terms well. I live by them. I stared KoD's infinite rage dead in the face, and while you were making backroom deals with the devil, I was refusing to break on our alliance in front of him. I know my place and to whom my loyalties lie. Do you? You've left me out to dry all Day. You are the ones in violation of our terms, not me.


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@Tev, HW, & Sky: You guys have been combing through my posts since earlier looking for any loophole you can pounce on to try and justify your turning on me. Doesn't sound like prioritizing the win of members to me. Look, if you want to lynch me, just do it. Why bother with this tiresome farce? This whole scheme to try and find an excuse to exile me without looking like the bad guys is futile because you already are the bad guys. You're traitors of Rome, and the only one here standing up and pointing it out is not even a Roman, but someone who is honorably abiding by the agreement he made with Rome. You don't get to take the moral high ground here. If you want me gone, there's no morally justified way to do it, you're going to have to get your hands dirty. So, who's coming at me first?

Oh, yeah, and by the way...
my fellow members of rag alliance counsel

It's called the Spider-Rome Coalition, dip ****, not the "Rag Alliance". Get the name right, because the name is important since it reminds you non-Romans how much you don't have a place in it.

Also, bask in the aura of my tea party dance:

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GGs everyone. :V

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Neon, thank you. <3


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Always a pleasure. I enjoy hanging out with you ever since SMM when you trolled me relentlessly lol

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Always a pleasure. I enjoy hanging out with you ever since SMM when you trolled me relentlessly lol

I trolled everyone relentlessly. But I did keep coming back to you cuz you made it so easy. :V

See you at the party!

Anyway, it's like quarter to 5AM. I need to go to bed. :sweat:

I'm sure I'll wake up to a billion votes on me from Kingpin's Enforcers, but that's a tomorrow problem. Right now, I feel like a winner.

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